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Base Sticker 10 years 10 months ago #206

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I haven't used a military campground as of yet. I don't have a base sticker on the motorhome, will that be a problem? I have a base sticker on the toad.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 10 months ago #207

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Hi Rit,

You should get a base sticker on the MH. It will prevent problems and save you a lot of time. We got away without having a base sticker on our MH for awhile. We finally were told to get a sticker, or a temp pass at one base. I wished I had a sticker, as I was stuck in a large line of cars and they wanted me to make a 120 degree turn with the motorhome into the visitor pass area. Yea - right! There was no way I could make that sharp of a turn with the MH, even if I didn't have a towed vehicle behid me. At first, they wouldn't let me go forward. I explained I couldn't make that sharp turn, and they said "wiggle it back and forth". Yea - right! They wanted me to unhook and make every effort to make that turn. Finally, a sensible NCO came up and let me go forward and park on the side. Whew! Then I had to wait almost an hour to get a temporary pass. I wanted a sticker, but it was a Navy base in California. They wanted California insurance, but I had Texas insurance! So I got a temp pass.

When I reached an USAF base, (I'm retired USAF), I got a base sticker and haven't had any problems since then. When it expired, I've never had problems getting a new year sticker. Just give them your sticker number and they'll give you a new year, regardless of where your at.

Save yourself a headache - get the sticker. You don't need your MH with you to get a sticker. Just your ID, the registration and proof of insurance.
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Re: Base Sticker 10 years 10 months ago #210

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Thanks for the info. I guess I forgot how much of a pain it is to get a temp pass. I wasn't sure about renewals, if it had to be at the base it was issued. Glad you cleared that up.----Thanks again

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I saw a post on the rv.net Open Roads Forum today that the poster claimed that DOD decals were going to be a thing of the past. That everyone entering a military post will have to show their ID Cards and proof of insurance at the gate.

My response was that there was no way that everyone who had to get on post/base could possibly get to work on time if the guards are actually looking at proof of insurance.

Some posters on rv.net thought it was a great idea to do away with the DOD decals, but I do not think they understand how many thousands and thousands of people come on our facilities on a daily basis.

I thought I would throw out what I heard.
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Re: Base Sticker 10 years 10 months ago #240

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The rumor of doing away with base stickers is just that. It won't happen. What they (whoever they are) were doing was considering doing away with the date stickers because DOD can't figure out how to order them. It seems that some bases were hoarding date stickers and others were running out so local commanders came up with a lot of local solutions.

All of this confusion has caused a lot of conversation--and that is all there is to it.

It's a supply problem run amuck.

Get a sticker for the rig, anything else is not worth the problems.

Glenn

PS I had great fun the other day at Tinker AFB, Ok trying to leave the base behind a semi-truck who thought he was actually a car and decided to negotiate the chicane. He got stuck and had to back out and go to the truck gate. What was most amazing to me was watching him turn around to where I could see the name of his company--AAFES. Go figure.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 9 months ago #265

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It is not a rumor that base stickers are going away, see this story: www.uscgcpoa.org/bases_to_stop_issuing_window_dec.htm

The AF will stop issueing OOA 15 March 2007 and the other services haven't decided what to do yet. The current thinking is that with ID checks the sticker is a waste of money for the services. They saved over $150K in one year at one AFB by not issueing the stickers.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 9 months ago #318

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So is it going to be a real (pita) to get base passes. We plan on doing some traveling in the mid to south east. Any stays will be 1 nite only, just passing through so to speak. So my question is will it be worth the effort to use military bases over regular campgrounds. Both me and the Mrs have our military ID's. I guess I just wouldn't want to wait 2 hrs or so to get processed for a pass.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 9 months ago #319

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I don't often admit to being wrong so feel honored that you are reading this. The Air Force is going to do it, i've seen the official instruction. The other services still have not made up their but will probably follow suit.
If they eliminate base stickers they will have to also eliminate the temporary passes and admit every vehicle with a driver holding a military ID. They will need more people on the gates to check ID cards and that will probably cost more than $150K per year.
But, there is still hope. Remember it was the Air Force that, a few years ago, came up with the new uniform with Navy type stripes for officer ranks. When that Chief of Staff moved on they quickly went back to the old regs. Perhaps after a bunch of bad experiences someone smarter will decide that this was not a good idea.
What we have now works. It ain't broke. So, of course, someone is setting out to "fix" it.
Glenn

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 8 months ago #489

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I work in the security squadron at Edwards AFB. We will stop issuing decals effective 15 Apr 07. It's our understanding this is a DoD directive, although from what we've heard, the Army is opposed. A couple of MAJCOMs in the AF have already implemented. We've not heard any intel on the Navy's position. Seems to us it will happen across the board, just a matter of time. Another point to this is the cost savings. We will cut two positions from Pass and ID, and don't have to worry about the cost of decals. Your ID card (either CAC or retired military) will be the key instrument for entry. Truthfully, the decals haven't mattered since 9/11.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 8 months ago #512

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Got my ID renewed today and was told when I asked for a sticker for MH that they no longer issued them? I asked so went I come on the base what do I do? He said have your card in your hand to show and have insurance card ready if they want to see it. That could take forever if they have alot of people coming and going. ??? How will it work on lets say I go to a Base in Texas?

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 8 months ago #574

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I really don't know what the issue here is. I live near three Navy bases in Washington state and visit them all frequently. Ever since 9-11 every person entering every base has had to stop and show military ID. Every person in every vehicle has to present ID's. We still have decals. Random vehicle searches are still the norm. I have never been asked for insurance papers except for when I was obtaining the decal in the first place. The only backups are at the commercial truck gates where temporary passes are issued and that only happens when the truck driver doesn't have proper ID.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 8 months ago #635

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We were pulling into Gate 2 at Ft. Campbell, KY last July when we were stopped at the gate, like always to check our ID cards & base sticker (Kirtland AFB). We were told that we had to make a u-turn and go to the "commercial truck" gate on the north end of post. Making a u-turn when your motorhome & toad are 62 feet long is no easy task.

Once we got to that gate we were second in line behind an 18 wheeler and ahead of two more. We were asked to exit the unit along with any animals if we had any. Standing next to the guard shack we saw a large truck with a "U" shape arm start scanning the trucks & our motorhome. We were being x-rayed by that machine. It only took about 15 minutes or so but what the hell is going on!
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Sounds like the Air Force got a new toy.

That kind of bothers me when soldiers and Marines are in combat without the up-armored humvees they need to stay alive. How may hummers could they have bought with the money that was spent to x-ray your house on wheels?

I don't think that is a political question it is just one GI wondering how the priorities are set in today's military.

Glenn
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Re: Base Sticker 10 years 8 months ago #639

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It sounds to me like they are trying to do a more thourough job of inspecting the trucks that are going on to the base with the X-ray. I think that is great :). It was a just a side note that an RV'er had to come through the same gate and be checked out also.
At Nellis, in Nevada, the RV's are supposed to enter the main base through the area II gate which is about 3 miles from the main gates as are ALL big rigs, however most of the gate guards allow the RV'ers to enter at the maingates at times. They are turned around at times also, I don't know if they just enforce the non entry at certain times or what.
Hope I didn't make to many spelling errors, I didn't see a spell checker.

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 7 months ago #705

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Standing next to the guard shack we saw a large truck with a "U" shape arm start scanning the trucks & our motorhome. We were being x-rayed by that machine. It only took about 15 minutes or so but what the hell is going on!


It's pretty obvious "what the hell is going on". Your rig was being examined to see if it were a bomb. If you have a problem with the base commander protecting his base in this manner, perhaps you shouldn't visit there anymore. HAFND.

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You're correct as usual and I stand corrected. I guess I just wasn't thinking when I wrote that comment.
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I'm new to this site but I'll let you in on what I've Learned! First I've been told that the military is doing away with the Base stickers cause after 9/11, they stop all vehicles and check I.D on all passengers. Why go to the expense of making the decals, whats the use?
Gary from Baltimore.

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In checking some historical material of mine, I have learned that the base sticker was originally issued as a way to guarantee that all vehicles on base were insured. Many states, at the time, did not have mandatory insurance laws. Now that insurance is required in ALL states the original purpose of the base sticker is moot.

Kinda makes sense to tear down the bureaucracy that was build up around a problem that no longer exists.

Glenn

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Right -- and now everyone has ID check in progress at all times -- so that is no issue either ...

Here in Mass we can't even get plates for our vehicles unless we have an insurance stamp on the registration card ...

Re: Base Sticker 10 years 3 months ago #1574

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I received this from the AF Retiree News Service:

Release No. 08-08-07

Aug. 21, 2007

Air Force discontinues use of base decals


by Senior Master Sgt. Matt Proietti

Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs

WASHINGTON (AFRNS) -- Air Force officials are working with the other services to allow its people to enter military installations without requiring them to display a base decal on their vehicles.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley recently ended use of the sticker, officially called a DD Form 2220, on Air Force installations because of cost, a lack of utility and long-term threats facing bases.

The decal was developed in the 1970s as part of a vehicle registration and traffic management system, not to bolster security, said Col. William Sellers, the Air Force chief of force protection and operations for security forces.

"There was a clear and definable need for this system (then)," he said. "A nationwide vehicle registration database did not exist, insurance was not required by all states, and a process was needed to expedite vehicle entry onto installations."

Air Force officials began questioning the value of the vehicle registration system in 2005 because of security concerns.

Many people incorrectly viewed the decal as being designed to bolster security, Colonel Sellers said. In actuality, the decal lessens it by identifying vehicles of Airmen and civilian workers as potential terror targets and may lure gate guards into complacency.

Laws now require motorists to have a legal driver's license issued by a state, proof of vehicle ownership/state registration, evidence of insurance, and safety and emissions inspections. A national vehicle registration system is used by all civilian and military police departments in the country.

"We've been putting our own personnel through a process that simply duplicates state and federal mandatory requirements," Colonel Sellers said.

If a vehicle from a Navy base is parked illegally on an Army installation, the military police cannot use its DD Form 2220 to track the owner because the two services do not share vehicle databases. Instead, the police will use the license plate number or vehicle identification number to obtain information via two national systems that provide comprehensive driver, vehicle data and access to law enforcement agency information, the colonel said.

Security forces and gate guards now check the ID of each person entering an Air Force installation, Colonel Sellers said. This provides better security than a base decal ever did because:

-- The vehicle displaying it could have been sold with the decal on it.

-- Its owner may have left the service and not removed the decal.

-- The number on the decal could be duplicated.

-- The decal could be counterfeited.

-- The decal may have been removed from another vehicle.

-- The vehicle may have been stolen.

Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., has not seen an increase in gate traffic since it stopped issuing base decals six months ago, said Master Sgt. James Osban, the NCO in charge of the 509th Security Forces Squadron Police Services.

"We're identifying the people coming on base and not the vehicle," he said. "We've done a 100 percent ID check for years."

Air Force officials have asked the other services to allow entry of its people to their installations by honoring their common access cards, appropriate identification or even by issuing them a DD Form 2220, which would enter them in another branch's database. In many cases, Air Force people visit other installations to shop.

"That translates into dollars for their Soldiers, Sailors and Marines," Colonel Sellers said. "Commanders want Air Force personnel on their bases."

Some within the Defense Department feel the registration system still has utility, regardless of inherent weaknesses, Colonel Sellers said. He believes installation commanders who worry about the time it takes to access bases "need to face today's security challenges."

Using the old system ?puts the military in serious danger of losing credibility with its own personnel and the general public," Colonel Sellers said. "The threat is here, it's real and we must continuously improve our processes and procedures."

The military branches have spent millions on new entry points, but have failed to review the process of how they allow entry onto an installation, Colonel Sellers said.

"The strength of a redesigned gate is defeated if the process to enter is flawed," he said. "Our first line of defense becomes irrelevant. The priority is not expediting entry, but knowing who is entering." (Courtesy of Air Force Print News)
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